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Originally Posted by Cavi Mike

Porsche makes a mid-engine car, it's called the Boxster. The 911 is a real car that you can use everyday, not just some sunday driver, that backseat is very important. Without the back seat you have...wait for it...a boxster. People do use that backseat and if you take it away, what's the point of buying it now? It can no longer be your daily driver so what's the point? And if people don't buy your car, what's the point of winning races with it?

What does the 986 have anything to do with the 911???? Two completely separate chassis and driver/buyer markets.........I never said anything about flipping the engine/transaxle around and making the 911 mid engine..Up until just recently the Boxster is a rag top piece of junk. The 986 was the worst mechanical flop Porsche has ever released and they lost an assload with the engine R&R issues related to that chassis, and the 996 for that matter... Most people who drive a Boxster wouldn't know a 911 from a 928 if it drove over their ass. I know because I run into those people all the time, whether it's at the local mall or at a PCA track event. Guarantee J Clark has had his run ins well...

Your statement is spoken exactly as any non 911 owner / mechanic / tuner / driver / racer would...... nothing wrong with it aside the fact that you're way out in left field on the entire topic...... Next time I bring the 3.6 up to the dyno you can ride in the "backseat" and tell me how functional it really is. My 1 yr old daughter in a car seat would be uncomfortable back there. And what does removing a couple rear seats have anything to do with a performance sports car being or not being a daily driver? Go do a poll and find out how many 911's drivers actually use their backseats for anything even remotely close to waht they were designed for. I'd bet my private salary that you'd find 95% of them hardly even look behind the front seats, let alone turn around to put something(or someone) back there. My old 944 had more backseat room than a 911. Doesn't hinder them from racking up 20K+ mileage every year as daily drivers......

Porsche has released 911's without rear seats and you know what, they sell just fine. If someone is looking for a Porsche with more than two seats for family/recreational use...they buy a Cayenne. It's why those things sell.. People who buy a 911 buy it because they want a 911. There's cheaper alternative out there with more creature comforts than a 911 for those looking for a four seat car with "family options". And in this day an age those who buy new 911's already have one or two other 4+ seats daily drivers in the stable anyway. I'd say a good third of my regular 911 customers are female drivers with kids and they never use the back seats and I'm not talking 1989 Targa owners but the 996/997 tub cars. RSA anyone, which sold like hotcakes and still claim a very high price/demand. Just did a PPI on one two weeks ago for a friend and that car had a cash-in-hand waiting list fifteen strong down at HD LLc. Sold for $42K used. If Porsche released a similar model again it would be pre-ordered and sold out before they even hit the shores here. GT3RS's ring a bell....... which were in such high demand that they were calling for in some areas 50K+ over MRSP. Even most of your typical GT3 and 996 turbo owners have long since ditched the rear seats in favor of "RS" delete kits now available. Still sold and driven as your typical base 911 daily driver though and was stated across the globe that Porsche should have released a base 911 as such from the start..... Across the PCA community and net-based community, the single largest customer base Porsche has, we are calling for a typical 911 without rear seats. They'll sell faster than you can imagine.

People who drive and buy 911's don't bitch about missing things like cupholders, storage compartments, and missing back seats. They're absolutely useless in these cars anyway, even with the pig-size chassis they're built on now. I know they'd sell, without question. The Porsche public majority is out crying for such a car now. Porsche is just too high on their ass trying to keep up with the "plushiness" of other car manufacturers(**cough** BMW Ferrari). Porsche has the big ass Panamera coming out for that shit...........

The point I was making was in conjunction with what Jesse was saying is that Porsche complains that they get "out-classed" by the competition halfway through the season because they are "displacement handicapped" from the start by the rest of the grid in homoglation series. We're not talking prep 2 here(although we should be ) They can fit a larger motor than the current largest 3.8L under the bonnet if they ditch that waste of an ass space behind the two front seats and homoglate a few cars. Ever see a 917K 4.5 flat 12, or a 908 flat 8....not much bigger than your typical 3.6 you currently find in your commonplace 911 and that's the old aircooled technology from the late 60's. What it boils down to is Porsche still wants to race like a factory backed team in FIA GT classes, but doesn't want to develop/pursue it like every other car manufacturer that does race these days and bitches when shit hit s the fan and BMW starts walking all over they race itinerary. Porsche got smart with the GT3Rs release here stateside, just not smart enough. They have WAY more flex room with the current chassis than they're lending it to be.