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[GranMassaX]

topic split!

[Cavi Mike]

Originally Posted by Celtic1982citleC

(fwd > rwd for winter)

*cough gag choke spits-drink-out* WHAT?! Maybe for soccer-moms in minivans but not for anyone that actually knows how to drive. I drove fwd cars for almost 10 years and there's nothing more scary than understeer in one. Without being able to control what your rear wheels are doing, you're lost. Next time you skid straight though a snow-dusted frozen intersection with your steering wheel at full lock think about this: with a rwd you could have fanned out the rear and continued on your merry way. Expecting a car to be controlable when all the duties are handled by the same two wheels is just plain stupid.

Yeah yeah, could have pulled the ebrake yada yada um NO. The ebrake isn't close enough to your hand to grab in a panic situation unless you drive a rally car. Taking a hand off the wheel to find that in a split second just isn't gonna happen, trust me. I started drifting doing ebrake turns and even as good as I was, it still wasn't close enough to my hand to yank in a panic situation. Your hand already has to be on it and you have to be planning to pull it but there's no 'plan' in panic.

fwd cars are just a cost saving feature for manufacturers. The entire drivetrain can be mounted in the car in one unit in instead of two. HUGE savings in the manufacturing process.

[GranMassaX]

Originally Posted by Cavi Mike

Next time you skid straight though a snow-dusted frozen intersection with your steering wheel at full lock think about this: with a rwd you could have fanned out the rear and continued on your merry way. Expecting a car to be controlable when all the duties are handled by the same two wheels is just plain stupid.

so what makes you think you can completely control the rears by doing this "fan" when the conditions are not consistent? I'd much rather have the front wheels slip than the rears. Give it a little too much gas on a fwd... oh no the tires spin a little.... do the same on a rwd and you'd be prone to spin out. Counter steering and throttle control wont do shit for you when your traction is near zero. And not to mention that there is more weight on the front of the car, which means more traction

[Cavi Mike]

Since there's really no point in arguing it with out being able to demonstrate it and I would gather that you have little to no rwd experience in the snow, sometime this winter I'll have to let you take my car and try to keep up with me in a fwd car. I guarantee you'll have no trouble at all. I'm sure you'll spin out a few times at first but it's a hell of a lot better than skidding straight into a curb on the other side of the road. You'd be surprised just how quick a car stops when it spins out compared to skidding straight. Spinning scrubs a ton of speed really fast.

[bennyfizzle]

I've rocked my variety of vehicles in the winter and i can say without a doubt, i prefer rwd.


however, if i put my old 325 w/ blizzaks in the hands of someone who doesnt know what to do when it starts plowing, or the rear steps out, it would have met a much more untimely death...

for the average joe in the winter:

fwd/awd>rwd

for people 'in the know'

rwd is more FUN

and jeep cherokees rock your face off.

[GranMassaX]

every now and then I forget to put the truck in 4wd and it's pretty scary. I guess it's more of and issue with initial traction. God damn thing wont even move up a slight incline in the snow in just rwd.

[waltbabyluv]

Originally Posted by bennyfizzle

I've rocked my variety of vehicles in the winter and i can say without a doubt, i prefer rwd.


however, if i put my old 325 w/ blizzaks in the hands of someone who doesnt know what to do when it starts plowing, or the rear steps out, it would have met a much more untimely death...

for the average joe in the winter:

fwd/awd>rwd

for people 'in the know'

rwd is more FUN

and jeep cherokees rock your face off.

I tihnk thats what it is, a RWD driving person can probably control it alot better. Ive never driven a RWD car in the snow, I know my aunt had a old ass camaro and every time she would drive it in the snow shed go off the road and get stuck lol. I mean every time too

[JiM P 2001]

I drove my ~4-500hp camaro in a blizzard with kumho ectsa 711 tires. 6-10 inches of snow on the ground, unplowed. almost got stuck going uphill getting onto the parkway, but other than that it was good. I drove that car for an enitre winter with no issues