Who needs a PC?

[mikecentola]

Originally Posted by xceebeex

I have zero issues with Windows and zero viruses and I never have ro format and reinstall.

That point is completely moot. I don't know why everyone keeps bringing that up... I can say the same thing....

[xceebeex]

Originally Posted by mikecentola

That point is completely moot. I don't know why everyone keeps bringing that up... I can say the same thing....

Well I guess the question is, did you actually have issues with Windows, or were there just some things that you wanted control of that you could not have in Windows?

[dmoffitt]

it's a more inherently secure platform to begin with - a good part of that has to do with the fact that, when an open-source platform has a bug found, developers fix it, upload patches, and call it a day. Windows has "product cycles" and tons of administrative overhead that keeps things from rolling out (plus the fear of admitting "yup we fucked up") - and since much of OS X is built on those open-source packages it gets patched ASAP

[dmoffitt]

PS, users are idiots any moron can be made to click on a web page and fuck themselves over, no matter the platform...

[mikecentola]

Originally Posted by xceebeex

Well I guess the question is, did you actually have issues with Windows, or were there just some things that you wanted control of that you could not have in Windows?

Yeah having a PC crash in the middle of a 4 hour render is not fun...

[GranMassaX]

From what I've seen, the average apple user is far more advanced than the average pc user. You don't see someone buying a computer just for internet and email even considering an apple. If these "noobs" were to get apples than there would be WAY more errors and reports of crashing.

[xceebeex]

Originally Posted by mikecentola

Yeah having a PC crash in the middle of a 4 hour render is not fun...

Was that a software or hardware issue though. I can see where open source is much easier to roll out changes though.

[dmoffitt]

Originally Posted by GranMassaX

From what I've seen, the average apple user is far more advanced than the average pc user. You don't see someone buying a computer just for internet and email even considering an apple. If these "noobs" were to get apples than there would be WAY more errors and reports of crashing.

There'd a good bit of truth in that - that's the funny thing about Macs, they are "polarizers" - either TOTAL idiots buy them who know (and want to, can't blame them) NOTHING about computers but want something to use, or people with much more extensive / knowledgeable background.

I consider myself extremely knowledgeable about personal computers in general... hardware, software, architecture, etc... I've worked at a PC store building and repairing machines, troubleshooting, tech support, sys-admin jobs, as well as done development work (mostly online but that's more than most "average" users comprehend). I've built more machines than your average Joe owns in a lifetime. Yet I still chose a Mac... because while I _KNOW_ how to troubleshoot stuff, I don't want to always HAVE to. Just the little extra BS that goes with locking down / keeping a Windows machine clean isn't worth my time, much less dealing with hardware/software conflicts when building it yourself (no real support if your mo-bo doesn't like your video card, etc). The new Macs being Intel and a more open standard is great since there's a lot more 3rd party hardware, yet Apple's control of the "user experience" seems to have kept it all playing friendly.

I, like Mike, do a lot of professional graphics work, everything from video to design - and there's nothing worse than a 3d render or movie compile getting hosed after running for hours because of something stupid. The "answer" when I was on PCs most of the time was having a physically separate machine for each major application - one for 3DSMAX, one for AVID, but that's expensive and just plain silly - yet, with hardware or driver issues, there was really no way around it (save dual-booting but even then stuff didn't play along). My Mac happily does Final Cut alongside Aperture along side the Adobe CS3 apps and I don't have to worry about iChat or Safari or Firefox or my FTP client taking down everything with it.

Have I had Kernel Panics? Sure. Blue-screens etc happen on ANY platform. But far less frequently - as I tell people "I bought a Mac so I could WORK using it, not work ON it."

YMMV, it's a silly / religious / un-ending debate and people (especially those closed-minded and ignorant) will argue til they are blue in the face... I like what I chose, would like if more people chose it cuz I hate fixing dumb shit for IE6 lol, but that's life... we're all free to make (stupid) decisions (like running Vista) hehe

[xceebeex]

Originally Posted by dmoffitt

YMMV, it's a silly / religious / un-ending debate and people (especially those closed-minded and ignorant) will argue til they are blue in the face... I like what I chose, would like if more people chose it cuz I hate fixing dumb shit for IE6 lol, but that's life... we're all free to make (stupid) decisions (like running Vista) hehe

Yup, I agree. I am not closed-minded at all, I actually debate you guys a lot on here because many times you guys are the ones being closed-minded by automatically dismissing something just because of past performance or where it was made or whatnot.

I actually wouldn't mind getting a Mac at some point, it would most likely be a laptop of some sort, but they are way too expensive IMO for what I generally would use it for.

[Cavi Mike]

Who needs a PC? I DO! Because I don't have money for a Mac! :P