Negotiating a job offer?? - Page 2

GranMassaX · #16 (**permalink**) 03-03-2008, 01:41 PM

Being an IC isn't for everyone. There are tons of pros and cons for both "regular" and IC jobs. I will not get into that since that isn't something you are thinking about.

Good luck

darkvibe · #17 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 10:05 PM

Ask them to count your service from your original start date rather than your full time hire date. You'll get your 2 weeks faster that way without seeming too greedy.

I'd also tell them you were hoping for $2k more in salary because of your familiarity with the position and hope they counter with $1k and take it.

edit to add: MET is not a technician degree any more. It's a bachelor of science in all of the schools that I know of now. It used to be that MET was a bachelor of technology and that's what some companies are still stuck on. The BT in MET was the technician degree.

Sleepr56 · #18 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 10:41 PM

Well either way, I personally think a ME is more of a worthy degree then a MET. Your classes are harder, you learn more, your expected to know more. Thats why I went for an ME degree.....

As for the job negotiations, I have had 3 different meetings so far. They dont want to budge on the salary because they dont want to offend other engineers my level that are at near wages. (only 2 that i know of, both have MET degree's)

They did give me a 2.5k starting bonus, and 5 "hush hush" vacation days, because due to policy they cant move my official start date to when I officially started working with the company. So I would have 2 weeks to start, even though its past the half year mark.

Butt at the last meeting, the lady could tell i was still not ready to sign, so she told me if I have other offers, and I still want to work for them, see her again, and she will try to make the offer better. Why would she say that? That just further encourages me to get more offers and come back demanding more money......kinda been a weird situation with lotsa politics involved.

GranMassaX · #19 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 06:37 AM

Its very hard to tell over a forum post, but it seems like you are making this a much bigger deal than it should be. Seems like a lot of time is being wasted by you and all involved in the hiring process at this company. Is all this negotiating really worth it? All companies have policies and they are not going to bust every policy for a someone coming in as a fresh out of school engineer. Hell, they already busted one policy and gave you an extra week vacation AND you got a signing bonus. What more do you want? An extra 2k a year? That really isn't much and it isn't worth the trouble, IMO. The longer you keep it up the more likely they may determine you are not worth it and just drop you. Fresh new engineers are a dime a dozen. I say sign in and stop the madness.

xceebeex · #20 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GranMassaX

Its very hard to tell over a forum post, but it seems like you are making this a much bigger deal than it should be. Seems like a lot of time is being wasted by you and all involved in the hiring process at this company. Is all this negotiating really worth it? All companies have policies and they are not going to bust every policy for a someone coming in as a fresh out of school engineer. Hell, they already busted one policy and gave you an extra week vacation AND you got a signing bonus. What more do you want? An extra 2k a year? That really isn't much and it isn't worth the trouble, IMO. The longer you keep it up the more likely they may determine you are not worth it and just drop you. Fresh new engineers are a dime a dozen. I say sign in and stop the madness.

I completely agree. Even if you were able to get more out of them for a starting salary, they will make up for it come appraisal time. The same can be said the opposite way as well, if they feel they have underpaid you for the job you perform, they will compensate for that come appraisal time.

Tkae the offer they gave you. $2k more a year is like 20 bucks a week after taxes, its not worth all this effort you are putting in, when in the end the company will win.

darkvibe · #21 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleepr56

Your classes are harder, you learn more, your expected to know more.

Sure but 99% of companies don't care if someone can do calculus. I don't call ME grads for interviews here, almost only MET. They are usually stronger in the CAD department and can apply the stuff from thermo/fluids which are important here because they spend the whole time doing just that instead of half of it deriving formulas.

With the economy taking a dump I would take their offer. I wouldn't stress over a couple percent pay. Take the 2 weeks of vacation and run. I've seen the economy go up and down a couple of times and with the upstate NY market job opportunities are likely to disappear for a while shortly. If you pass this one up you might be out of luck for a while.

Sleepr56 · #22 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 11:15 AM

I do appreciate everyones comments and suggestions. You guys seems to know a lot in this area and have your own good experiences to tell me.

i know the economy is taking a dump, which makes me incredibly nervous, especially in central ny. I dont however think I am making "too big" of a deal abotu this. This is my first job out of school, this is why I busted my ass for 4 years having 0 social life, and this is my future. I think I should go into any job negotiation kicking and screaming. I also know how much the engineering college field has grown, but I would consider myself above most engineering kids, or at least the ones i go to school with. I bust my butt, so I think anything I think I should have, should be negotiable.

On that note, the head of engineering just pulled me into his office, to re-assure me that I really am wanted here, and that they will do whatever they can to get me here. The head of this devision wants to meet with me tomorrow, so I am sure I will get teh same speach. It is really good to know that, but I still think I need to shop around for my own good.

GranMassaX · #23 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleepr56

This is my first job out of school, this is why I busted my ass for 4 years having 0 social life, and this is my future. I think I should go into any job negotiation kicking and screaming. I also know how much the engineering college field has grown, but I would consider myself above most engineering kids, or at least the ones i go to school with. I bust my butt, so I think anything I think I should have, should be negotiable.

I really think you have the wrong attitude about this. Your first job is rarely your last. Why? cause you usually can move up in the world faster by changing jobs every now and then. Most people fresh out of school would jump on any semi-descent opportunity that comes there way. You have little to no real world experience. Any company that hires you is taking a risk. Sure you may have a ton of book smarts, but I've seen some of the biggest failures in the work place come from these people that have amazing grades and what not. Job experience is worth more than any degree. You are not going to get some dream job right out of school. That'll come years down the road after you have many years of actual experience. You need to put your ego away.