coughlin is staying..

GranMassaX · #1 (**permalink**) 01-10-2007, 11:32 AM

not too sure if this is good news or not, but it looks like he is staying with the GIANTS

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16518801/

waltbabyluv · #2 (**permalink**) 01-10-2007, 12:19 PM

I have no problem with this, the guy has been to the playoffs in back to back years, hes not a bad coach. Giants hadnt been to the playoffs in back to back years since 89-90. I dont even know why everyone wanted him fired, you dont here people calling for Parcells to be fired and he has done a far worse job with the cowboys than Coughlin has with the Giants.

Celtic1982citleC · #3 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by waltbabyluv

I have no problem with this, the guy has been to the playoffs in back to back years, hes not a bad coach. Giants hadnt been to the playoffs in back to back years since 89-90. I dont even know why everyone wanted him fired, you dont here people calling for Parcells to be fired and he has done a far worse job with the cowboys than Coughlin has with the Giants.

+1 I believe Coughlin gets more out of his players with his no-nonsense attitude. Granted some players may have a problem with his approach but it has always worked for him. He was great in J-ville and has done a very good job in NY despite most of his talent being on the injury report week in and week out this season. I look forward to seeing if they make Jacobs an every down back next year and just someone (maybe Morton?) for 3rd down situations. Also I believe with Toomer back with Plax next season the younger WR's will have a chance to develop further as they'll see softer coverage with the G-men having their #1/2 WR's back along with Shockey. Sinorice Moss has dangerous speed.

Cobbcustomz · #4 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 10:17 AM

I am not a giants fan at all but my only problem with caughlin is that he talked about how disciplined his team would be and how that injuries were a mindset when he first came on. Now every game i have ever seen them play it seems they have some retarded penalties that kill drives or give opponents great starting field position. (ie Jacobs TD celebrations on numerous occasions, burress/shockey random cheap shots after plays to kill momentum) Those are totally discipline related penalties, and that reflects poorly on a "tough" coach

Shawn96VR-4 · #5 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobbcustomz

I am not a giants fan at all but my only problem with caughlin is that he talked about how disciplined his team would be and how that injuries were a mindset when he first came on. Now every game i have ever seen them play it seems they have some retarded penalties that kill drives or give opponents great starting field position. (ie Jacobs TD celebrations on numerous occasions, burress/shockey random cheap shots after plays to kill momentum) Those are totally discipline related penalties, and that reflects poorly on a "tough" coach

Exactly. I am a bit scared that a non-Giants fan picked this up.

He is SUPPOSED to win games because his talent allows him to. However, many of the games lost was primarily due to two things:

1) Defense giving up the go-ahead score. This was addressed by firing Tim Lewis
2) Inadequate discipline (TD celebrations, 15 yard penalties from cheapshots, ie Burress/Shockey should have been benched, unbelievable number of OL penalties ranging from holding to false start AT HOME)
3) Multiple players speaking out again him.

Was this addressed? No, they re-signed him. Awful.

Celtic1982citleC · #6 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 11:48 AM

You can't blame players reactions on the coach. Coughlin can't run out on the field and restrain Shockey/Burress/Jacobs when they go on their little frenzy's. Just like in the SD/NE game yesterday when Marlon McCree headbutted the Pats player. Not Marty's fault. Just poor self-control by the player. Players talked out against Coughlin because they were used to being able to do whatever they wanted under Fassel. They don't like Coughlin cause he's a hardass.

My opinion

Shawn96VR-4 · #7 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MYIX8UR8

You can't blame players reactions on the coach. Coughlin can't run out on the field and restrain Shockey/Burress/Jacobs when they go on their little frenzy's. Just like in the SD/NE game yesterday when Marlon McCree headbutted the Pats player. Not Marty's fault. Just poor self-control by the player. Players talked out against Coughlin because they were used to being able to do whatever they wanted under Fassel. They don't like Coughlin cause he's a hardass.

My opinion

A team is a reflection of their coach. The fact that the teamed is not disciplined IS the coach's fault. Understandable that individual incidents occur but this is multiple-year problem that has not been fixed nor appeared to even be addressed.

usmc2801 · #8 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 12:40 PM

the only problem with coughlin is that he used to be one of the most discipline coaches in the league but these last 2 years he hasnt been getting on the o-line for all those false starts, i mean its one thing to have false starts at an away stadium but at home thats just uncalled for!

Celtic1982citleC · #9 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 12:54 PM

I'm not on the same page as you unfortunately. A coach can only do so much coaching. Coughlin can't go out on the field and make his lineman stay in the stance. He can't control players personalities as I stated before. If you don't think he's addressing their issues every week then I feel you are drastically mistaken. Coaches coach, players play. Coughlin coached a good season and his team had a chance to win a lot of games but his players did not execute the game plan. You can NOT blame that on a coach.

...for some reason you are all probably the ones that blame San Diego's loss to NE yesterday on Marty as well instead of the players. Ridiculous.

Shawn96VR-4 · #10 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MYIX8UR8

I'm not on the same page as you unfortunately. A coach can only do so much coaching. Coughlin can't go out on the field and make his lineman stay in the stance. He can't control players personalities as I stated before. If you don't think he's addressing their issues every week then I feel you are drastically mistaken. Coaches coach, players play. Coughlin coached a good season and his team had a chance to win a lot of games but his players did not execute the game plan. You can NOT blame that on a coach.

...for some reason you are all probably the ones that blame San Diego's loss to NE yesterday on Marty as well instead of the players. Ridiculous.

He is addressing it? He benched Jacobs for his fumble but didn't bench Plaxico for a late 15 yard penalty that extended a drive that put the nail in a Giants loss. That's hardly addressing it. Being one of the most undisciplined teams in the NFL for multiple-years is not addressing it either. Nothing has changed.

If you don't think that the Coach is accountable, then why are they often fired regardless of talent? The Raiders suck. Period. But, the players aren't fired nor traded nor released? The coach is.

Celtic1982citleC · #11 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 01:19 PM

The Raiders weren't in position to win any games at all this season. Art Shell is well past his prime and isn't current with todays NFL. He had the wrong scheme for the players they had in Oakland. They are still setup to play as if Grueden was there running 4 wide and throwing the ball all over. Shell's defense was brilliant this season, but his offense lost them nearly every game they had a shot at winning.

Coughlin put the Giants in a position to win time after time but the personnel did not execute. Coaches are fired because they're the fall guys. For the same reason quarterbacks are benched if a team is struggling, they are the fall guys. It's easier to replace a coach then all of your skill players. The Bengals were the most undisipilined team all season and their coach is comfy as can be. Why? He always put them in a position to win. Coaches coach, they aren't accountable for players performance or what they do off the field. Coughlin not benching Plax (who is an every down player) over a penalty is insane to say. Plax, regardless of his horrible attitude, is the Giants best WR. You can't take your best WR off the field. Jacobs job was to hold onto the ball. Jacobs was a roll player and had fumble problems during the season which Coughlin worked on JUST AS HE DID WITH TIKI. People forget that Coughlin taught Tiki not to fumble. Coughlin was disappointed in Jacobs for carrying the ball like a loaf of bread and sat him. You are obviously not objective on the situation and just have it out for him. The Giants have been very disciplined off the field and yet nobody realizes that with so many teams having off the field issues. You feel Coughlin isn't helping with that with his attitude? Granted, they've had a lot of penalities but that is due to mental mistakes. Coughlin, once again, can't control the mentalities of the people on the field. He can only coach.

Cobbcustomz · #12 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MYIX8UR8

I'm not on the same page as you unfortunately. A coach can only do so much coaching. Coughlin can't go out on the field and make his lineman stay in the stance. He can't control players personalities as I stated before. If you don't think he's addressing their issues every week then I feel you are drastically mistaken. Coaches coach, players play. Coughlin coached a good season and his team had a chance to win a lot of games but his players did not execute the game plan. You can NOT blame that on a coach.

...for some reason you are all probably the ones that blame San Diego's loss to NE yesterday on Marty as well instead of the players. Ridiculous.

Coughlin if he was so disciplined would never allow Jacobs to celebrate the way he does without burying him on the depth chart. end of story. He's a young RB who he has already let get out of control due to the lack of discipline. Also Letting your best receiver give half hearted efforts, get ripped in the media then make stupid penalties on late hits the following week to make up for the "lack of effort" is awful as well Coughlin has little to no control of that team and that is all he talked about doing when he came in. Taking back control

as far as SD yesterday I put some blame on the coaching staff, how can you not, you have the League MVP who was running wild and could not be stopped at all by New England and he gets 8 touches of the ball in the 2nd half. 8 touches. that is directly on the coaching, and not necessarily marty since his offensive coordinator wears the head set and calls the plays.