New York Giants

[Shawn96VR-4]

Originally Posted by xceebeex

So are you saying he is consistant or incosistant? Your statement pretty much says he is incosistant. Or I guess you could look at it and say he is consitantly decent or consistantly terrible....

I am not an Eli fan but I try to be unbias. He is very inconsistant to me and makes many many poor choices. However, he does have flashes of being a top QB in the league.

[xceebeex]

Originally Posted by Shawn96VR-4

I am not an Eli fan but I try to be unbias. He is very inconsistant to me and makes many many poor choices. However, he does have flashes of being a top QB in the league.

Ok, gotcha, so we are kinda on the same page. Flashes of top QB in the leage are questionable, but I guess I will give it to ya. Its hard to say he is in the top tier with a TD:Int ratio of just about 1:1. If you base top tier QB's solely on getting their team to the playoffs, then I will give you that. (Even though I don't agree that makes you a top tier QB, just simply getting to the playoffs)

[Shawn96VR-4]

Originally Posted by xceebeex

Ok, gotcha, so we are kinda on the same page. Flashes of top QB in the leage are questionable, but I guess I will give it to ya. Its hard to say he is in the top tier with a TD:Int ratio of just about 1:1. If you base top tier QB's solely on getting their team to the playoffs, then I will give you that. (Even though I don't agree that makes you a top tier QB, just simply getting to the playoffs)

Using straight stats, I see your point. I am going by just watching the games and watching some of the throws he makes. He makes incredible throws sometimes. You have a point though. But, he does lead his team to the playoffs but in a weak NFC with the help of a strong running game. Exactly how much does he help this team make the playoffs? I am still trying to figure that out.

[Celtic1982citleC]

Good links to QB rating...and such. Sorry Eli.

ESPN - In young QB market, Cutler hot, Eli Manning not - NFL

ESPN - Ranking the QBs a lot tougher than it sounds - NFL

[Shawn96VR-4]

Almost as if they cut n paste the shit I have said for awhile. Good articles.

[waltbabyluv]

ha, I love how everyone is on Carson Palmers dick. The guy has one of the best supporting casts and still cant get it done. Philip Rivers ahead of Manning? Give me a break. I think Garrard and Cutler are a little to high also. Who am I though.

[Celtic1982citleC]

Carson Palmer has good numbers...Cincy just gives up 100 pts a game cause their defense is absolute trash. I didn't have any real problems w/ the list. It's all about right IMO.

[waltbabyluv]

yeah well. Carson Palmer has thrown as many INTs as Manning has and he gets hung for it. Philip Rivers is not better than Eli Manning.

[waltbabyluv]

enough of the eli manning is not a leader shit too.

[Celtic1982citleC]

Look at throwing attempts...Cincy has had to go airborn a ton this year cause Rudy Johnson/Kerry Watson/Chris Perry have all had injury issues and their o-line hasn't run blocked (aside from that one game vs the Jets) for anyone. So his numbers, like Kitna's or Hasselbeck's or Brady's will reflect that. Brady/Manning get exempt cause they're gods. Hasselbeck is smart and doesn't make mistakes. Palmer is human and hence why he's not listed above them.

[waltbabyluv]

yeah im just not going to go crazy over a guy who has been a starter for 4 years and has had a winning record 1 time and never won a playoff game. Especially when the QB of my team has had 2 winning seasons in 3 years and been to the playoffs 3 times. I dont think Eli is better than Palmer but hes not as good as people say he is. Hes all hype. The guy has 2 really good recievers in Johnson and Houshmanzedah. Im not going to give him a pass on the running back thing seeing how Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward have missed about 10-12 games between the 2 of them. Im not saying Eli is better or even that his spot on that list is wrong because I think he is somewhere in the 14-18 spot but there is no way that Philip Rivers is better than him. They put him 1 spot better than Manning to try to make the Giants look stupid for trading thats all.

[Celtic1982citleC]

Remember - Palmer is coming back from major, MAJOR knee surgery. Takes a couple seasons as you know for a QB to get back to 110% after such a huge operation. They would've won that playoff game vs Pitt handily had he not been injured.

[waltbabyluv]

lets go Giants, a win and your in

[19Cutlass94]

Watching it now. Should be a good game here.