New York Giants

[waltbabyluv]

Yup. theres alot of teams who have to worry about a QB for now and years to come, the Giants arent one of them. Elis going to be around for a long time and he WILL break every giant passing record without a doubt. This Giant offense of the Coughlin era is the best the Giants have ever seen, but people still want to bitch. Just looking at the numbers, hes the 1st coach since Bill to take them to the playoffs 2 years in a row, as Eli is the 1st QB to do so since Phil. Tiki Barber had 3 of the greatest seasons that running back has ever had under coughlin. Just because The New York Post tells everyone that this team has given up on him year after year it doesnt mean they have. As a matter of fact its pretty obvious they havent seeing how they basically fought for his job last year. Jerry Reese and Ernie Accorsi held private meetings with all the veterans last year and asked them what they thought about Tom coming back this year and they all thought it was a great idea, because he gives them a great chance to win. If and When the NY media finally gets him out of here we will all be sorry. If there is anyone to blame for the holes on this team it is obviouslt Jerry Reese, not Tom, Tom and his staff are doing the best they can with what they were given on this defense. If they had made some moves for one of the big name corners or linebackers that were out there this defense would be much better. Instead they are relying on a makeshift LB crew who will get better as they play together longer, lets remember, Kiwanuka has never played LB in his life, lets give the guy more than 3 games. Kawika Mitchell is in a whole new scheme as his the whole D. There secondary is the problem. There not going to get better. Madison is the Vet and is the only decent player they have. I can def see Ross being a nice player though. And of course like the D line has been since 92 it is pretty solid again this year. I knew the ends would be there as they have since Strahan has been here but Fred Robbins, and Barry Cofield are playing awesome at tackle the last 2 years. OK thats all

Oh and do your part by voting for Kiwanuka as the NFL GMC defensive player of the week

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[Shawn96VR-4]

Originally Posted by GranMassaX

did you watch the game?? Eli played very well. His stats def do not reflect how well he played. He threw great looking balls all day. Burress and Shockey dropped some perfect balls. Not Eli's fault. His two picks were pretty foolish, but whatever. One pick was just as good as a punt. I liked his audible calling as well.

Yes. I watch every game. I don't really do much with stats. I look at the other things that make the difference like throwing INT based on stupid decisions in key moments. He is notorious for that. Yea, he played good but the things that seperate him from a real winner aren't there yet.

[Shawn96VR-4]

Walt: C'mon man. Their offense has been jacked up due to the fact that the once solid Giant's D doesn't exist. It forces the O to make up points (jacking the #s up).

Also, the offense was led around Tiki basically putting the ball/game/future into his hands. It wasn't balanced attack. With that said, that great offense under Coughlin resulted in the loss of Tiki (self admitted).

[Celtic1982citleC]

I am not nor have I ever claimed to be a Giants/Eli Manning fan. However, I do believe he played a good game against the Redskins. The one pick was as good as a punt, and didn't hurt the team. The other was foolish, but qb's try to make plays when they shouldn't at time. That's just the nature of the position. That's what seperates the GREAT players at their position (Peyton, Brady) from the GOOD players. Eli had sever passes dropped and a lot of batted balls (he needs to work on his release point IMO...he releases the ball too low and a LOT of his passes are tipped/swatted at the line). Everybody forgets how young he is, and expects the world out of him because he is Peytons brother. He has more natural athletecism and his arm is as good. Once he gets his mechanics figured out and is able to mature and throw the ball away instead of trying to make every play...he has GREAT potential.

[Shawn96VR-4]

Originally Posted by Celtic1982citleC

I am not nor have I ever claimed to be a Giants/Eli Manning fan. However, I do believe he played a good game against the Redskins. The one pick was as good as a punt, and didn't hurt the team. The other was foolish, but qb's try to make plays when they shouldn't at time. That's just the nature of the position. That's what seperates the GREAT players at their position (Peyton, Brady) from the GOOD players. Eli had sever passes dropped and a lot of batted balls (he needs to work on his release point IMO...he releases the ball too low and a LOT of his passes are tipped/swatted at the line). Everybody forgets how young he is, and expects the world out of him because he is Peytons brother. He has more natural athletecism and his arm is as good. Once he gets his mechanics figured out and is able to mature and throw the ball away instead of trying to make every play...he has GREAT potential.

Good post. Some of the mistakes he make aren't because he is young. Last year, he had a hard time throwing to the flats. The foolish decisions are still there. I am not saying he isn't a good QB. I believe he was very overhyped at the time of the draft though.

In regards to that INT not hurting the Giants, that's BS. Any turnover is bad. Yes, it was down the field but the Giants were driving and he just threw it up with no regard at all. The defender waited for that thing to come down...

[waltbabyluv]

How was he overhyped? He was the best QB in the draft, what do you mean the offenses numbers are up because the D isnt good? So the other teams defenses arent trying? There offense is very god and Tiki wasnt everything, the offense is good. The line is good, tiki not being there is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. Where did coughlin say he resulted in the loss of tiki? Tiki has been saying that. He is a coward and throws everyone under the bus when things arent going his way, thats nothin new, hes been going it for the last 5 years, gladly we dont have to listen to it anymore because he sits in a seat and talks about football for a living. The Giants have 2 recievers that are capable of big plays, a TE who supposedly cant be compared to Bavaro but has wiped all of his stats off the map in 5 years. Toomer is the giants all time leading reciever, This is a very good offense. If you dont want to see that that is fine you dont have to. Watch other teams around the league. Look at how good philip rivers is doing without tomlinson shredding it up.Hes stinking up the joint. Drew Brees is stinking it up, Rex Grossman the list goes on. It is hard to have a reliable QB that can win games, we have one. Basically this is the best WRs, TEs, and QB the Giants have ever had and everyone wants to complain about it. Someone please pop in a 1996 yearbook video when are best QB was Dave Brown, Hampton led the team with a stunning 800yds and chris calloway led the team with 800yds recieving. This is the best offense the Giants have ever had and before you know it 7 years of bitching will go by and well be back to rebuilding with another dave brown era.

[Celtic1982citleC]

Yeah, not everyone can have a Jon Kitna leading their team to glory BTW-Lions are going to run the Bears out of the building this week. Chicago's offense is probably the worst in the league...maybe 2nd worse ahead of KC.

[waltbabyluv]

OMG grossman is so bad. John Kitna, lol, ive always liked him, hes a tough dude. I hope the Lions win, there offense is crazy

[Celtic1982citleC]

Hopefully Roy and Calvin are back to 100% this week. Roy was EXHAUSTED from running a million routes and Calvin bruised his back after what is a catch of the year nomination over 2 Eagle defenders on a fly route.

[Cobbcustomz]

Originally Posted by Celtic1982citleC

Chicago's offense is probably the worst in the league...maybe 2nd worse ahead of KC.

haha Chicago is prolly the 3rd worst offense
Buffalo has the worst offense 24 points in 3 games of which 7 came on a punt return for a TD week one. Its depressing as a bills fan to watch JP Losman at QB

[Shawn96VR-4]

Originally Posted by waltbabyluv

How was he overhyped? He was the best QB in the draft,

In the same token, Grossman was the best QB on Chicago last year... I realize it takes time to mature but he isn't a leader yet, makes poor decisions, etc.. Yes, he is a good QB. I just expected more.

Originally Posted by waltbabyluv

what do you mean the offenses numbers are up because the D isnt good? So the other teams defenses arent trying? There offense is very god and Tiki wasnt everything, the offense is good.

The decline in their D helped the O. They aren't killing time late in the 3rd or 4th but needed to pass to win a lot of the times. Teams w/o D typically have a good O. I am not making this up.

Originally Posted by waltbabyluv

The line is good, tiki not being there is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. Where did coughlin say he resulted in the loss of tiki? Tiki has been saying that. He is a coward and throws everyone under the bus when things arent going his way, thats nothin new, hes been going it for the last 5 years, gladly we dont have to listen to it anymore because he sits in a seat and talks about football for a living.

I agree he is throwing people under the bus but he said a lot of the reason for the RB (that you just were proud of his #s) retired.

Originally Posted by waltbabyluv

The Giants have 2 recievers that are capable of big plays, a TE who supposedly cant be compared to Bavaro but has wiped all of his stats off the map in 5 years. Toomer is the giants all time leading reciever, This is a very good offense. If you dont want to see that that is fine you dont have to. Watch other teams around the league. Look at how good philip rivers is doing without tomlinson shredding it up.Hes stinking up the joint. Drew Brees is stinking it up, Rex Grossman the list goes on. It is hard to have a reliable QB that can win games, we have one. Basically this is the best WRs, TEs, and QB the Giants have ever had and everyone wants to complain about it. Someone please pop in a 1996 yearbook video when are best QB was Dave Brown, Hampton led the team with a stunning 800yds and chris calloway led the team with 800yds recieving. This is the best offense the Giants have ever had and before you know it 7 years of bitching will go by and well be back to rebuilding with another dave brown era.

Yes, they have a good offense but it was helped by a declining defense. The same goes for individual stats in the 4th quarter when D play prevent and give up yardage. Watching the games show that not the final #s.

[waltbabyluv]

Ive never heard coughlin say anything about him being the reason tiki retired. Tiki never said anything about it until he came out with a book